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comment by Weathersmurf on May 05, 2003 02:42 am ET
re: Public Service Announcement
It may be something that needs correction, it may unbalance the game, etc but technically it's not cheating.
I think NC banned them because NCI = idiots, not because they made "MILLIONS and MILLIONS" =P
Who cares about your opinion of how you're "supposed" to play...I sure don't.
I can't really make sense of what you're saying sometimes...
I don't think it was ok. But it wasn't cheating. And no, I didn't know about it until I read this "Public Service Announcement." Ad hominem doesn't become you ;)
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comment by K-ZS-M on May 05, 2003 01:27 am ET
re: Public Service Announcement
u don't know how much they really made
and not cheating to make millions for doing nothing?
sorry
if u want to make money in the game
u better work your ass for it
no one is going to put up with it
the main thing here is
they knew of it, they EXPLOIT it
see, not very smart to mention these days with your friends and in pledge chat
if u want to discuss about taking advantage of a bug
u go and do it on a chat program outside of lineage like MSN or whatever
their mistake to think "oh, they used oj trick, so I guess this is ok too"
the whole point is they made MILLIONS and MILLIONS
y u think they banned them?
buying and selling back is not how u're suppose to make profit in the game
so those castle owners got what they deserved and the ones who encouraged ppl to use this trick were blacklisted as well
those ppl banned should really blame the ppl who encouraged and told the entire pledge to help out and do it
if it is not cheating the tax system
then y did they do it repeatly?
don't tell me "what u talking about, they only did it once, haven't u read what ppl like whitehand said? and now they're banned for it"
it is those idiot members who wouldn't stop doing it repeatly
both parties r to be blamed
just that one party has more power over the other
so one suffers while the other laughs
if u think what they did was ok
u must have been part of the group cuz making millions for doing nothing is unfair to the rest of the ppl in the game
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comment by Weathersmurf on May 05, 2003 01:06 am ET
re: Public Service Announcement
#285 - BigPope
I've played on a Korean server. My friends have played on several different Korean servers for years.
#286 - K-ZS-M
Yes, Whitehand said his castle made 400k in about an hour. There is a tax cap.
Um, Paldo got banned for making 19k. How much they did apparently doesn't matter to NC.
No, you're blind and ignoring the facts.
They did something. However, whether they made 5 adena or 800 trillion, it was not cheating.
Regular taxes give an advantage only to castle pledges. How unfair.
Yes, I still have my level 44 mage from when I started Lineage lol (except she's stripped of her items and chaotic since someone used her to kill some offender...without my consent...!!)...ah, the memories, I learned how to play and use controls and all that from trying to play her. I helped raise a knight who is now DK (omg I got so sick of FV), and several elves (but I didn't really get sick of Oren, Oren field's way kewler than FV, and funner as elf than knight).
#287 - NoLuCK
The distinction is only because of how NC worded it. They very specifically said "bug." This is not an issue about morals, but about worded rules.
So you're saying common sense dictates they changed the prat price by accident, then unintentionally told us they intentionally changed the prat price? Well, I'm glad I don't have common sense (it's common unsense...real sense isn't common ;)
Flawed analogy. They listed the price raise as a change, therefore making it hard to believe the price raise was an accident.
It wasn't a dupe. They didn't duplicate anything. It would not have been possible to gain tax money by buying from and selling to NPCs if NCI didn't put in the prat price change.
1. I'm used to calling them all GMs because on Korean servers we call them GMs. Doesn't matter.
2. Not going to argue about the merits and faults of ingame support, but that it can be done badly does not necessarily mean it's best to have none at all. As for your b, I don't think talking to everyone would really lead to bad PR unless there is evidence of favoritism. Yes, NC cares about money, but NC employees may care about other things as well.
3. Basically what happens is at the first siege, the server goes down. When it comes back up, the pledge who paid is the castle owner. By the time the second siege comes around, the castle pledge is so rich from taxes it's easy to defend. And castles like Kent and Windawood are far easier to defend than attack even if the attackers miraculously got tons of adena for pots and such without owning a castle. Here, it seems everyone knows about this stuff, although I never pay attention to the media. Yes, it's completely irrelevant; I was just commenting about it after I stated my main point, about NC Korea at least trying to avoid corruption.
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comment by sexytofu on May 05, 2003 12:52 am ET
re: LoA Dragon Armor - 10% Fire Resistance
yea i heard that blue and green dsm don't give 10% elemental resistance related to their alignment, but red does, this is weird i must say.
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comment by K-ZS-M on May 05, 2003 12:49 am ET
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comment by NoLuCK on May 04, 2003 11:45 pm ET
re: Public Service Announcement
I have so many ways to continue this discussion.
Paragraph 1.
Why must there be a distinction? If the function is defective, the use of the function may also have undisirable effects.
I will disregard the second sentence because it is just gibberish. I want to say use common sense, although I am not sure that you believe in knowledge or wisdom. Hell, I will still give it a shot. Use common sense!
Paragraph 2.
"I'm qualified because I read the list of changes."
I read your post and now I am qualified to be you. As a self proclaimed you, I announce that you have seen the error of your ways and now agree with me (I like it, false logic is fun.).
I agree the price change was done on purpose. The same with the notice about the price change. But, these events are merely coincidences, had these players duped using another item they still would have been banned. Or lets pretend the dupe was not found until months after the publish, if/when they cheated they still would have been banned.
1. Right. I was not sure if you were making that statement to trick me with symantics. There did not seem any reason to bring it up.
2. For a support method to be efficient it needs to be reliable. In game support, as many people believe, is not a good form of support. There are a number of reasons for this:
a. If you read gamedev.net or flipcode.com there are occasionally articles by support staff at other MMORPG about game support. In-game support is often high on their bad list.
b. By allowing gamemasters to chat with people it would cause people to believe there is even more favoritism. Already, even though GMs cannot chat with people, everyone assumes that they favor FL or FCA. Pretty sure NC only cares about money.
3. Castles are based on sieges. It would be difficult for a GM to modify the castle owner without admin status. Perhaps it has happened, I know there are other strange rumors where GMs cheated for players. However, if something like that had happened, in such a large gaming community, we probably could have seen it in the news. Anyway, there is no reason to talk about this now, is there?
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comment by K-ZS-M on May 04, 2003 11:09 pm ET
re: Public Service Announcement
#284
how many castles r in the game?
how many did those ppl who got banned owned those castles?
did they help their allies in gaining cash as well?
u think only 400k was made? I'm guessing u're only going by whitehand's word, rite?
that the total sum made was only 400k
u do the math
there was WAY more than 400k made otherwise they wouldn't have banned
that NC employee already stated there were MILLIONS of scrolls bought/sold
u're blind and ignoring the facts
to make it sound like they did nothing at all
this so called "bug" in there for everyone to use?
only gives ppl who own a castle an advantage
and have u played on korean servers smurf?
if not
u shouldn't be talking about shit u don't know about
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comment by BigPope on May 04, 2003 11:02 pm ET
re: Public Service Announcement
2. Our moniters has sometimed talked to players with their whisper too. Wowo! We are just like the koreans~!
3. Also recently, A Korean GM got superpowers, and blew up japan. After that he took over Russia and now makes cake for a living. Weeeee!
I win the making up stories about korean gm contests.
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comment by crazylove on May 04, 2003 10:54 pm ET
re: Depardieu Player Spotlight: Elendel
Good job Elendel.
*kisses*
So my Lin messed up on me, so I have to wait for a CD, cuz i am not trying to download over 24 hours of crap. If you want to talk to me EL, go on yahoo.
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comment by Weathersmurf on May 04, 2003 10:19 pm ET
re: Public Service Announcement
#281/282 - NoLuCK
You're making no distinction between the function and use of the function. By your definition, we have no way of knowing if the playing of knights are a bug, if the use of elven magic is a bug, if equipping items is a bug, etc.
I'm qualified because I read the list of changes. I find it rather hard to believe that they changed the prat price by accident, then unintentionally told us that they intentionally changed the prat price. If you base your argument on that it's very plausible, gl convincing people.
'Scuse?
1. Their title is irrelevant. Actually, usually people email or use a form in either case =P
2. The point is they can stay in the game, but phone might be useful. Korean GMs do have whisper on some of the time and talk to players.
3. On Korean servers, when a new server opens up, everyone wants to take over the castles. Some pledges will pay real cash for a castle. GM hands over the castle, pockets the cash, and flees. My main point that NC Korea does try to do something about employee corruption.
#283 - K-ZS-M
Oh, so one castle (I think it was Heine) made 400k, which means Aden made 100 or 200 million? =P
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