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comment by Orcide on May 01, 2003 03:17 am ET
re: Public Service Announcement
Well they used a bug, they got cought, deal with the consequeses.
Even a 5 year old with an IQ at 5 could see that this wasnt right.
They just thought, hey cool lets make some money and not tell anyone else becouse this is just for us.... yes, it was just for you, now u know what happens when you exploid...
Doesnt matter if NCI put this in by accident or not, you exploided it.
Some of us who work hard on stuff (like me) doesnt like some of those goofballs to destroy what we have made by cheating there way to better stuff.
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comment by Rathorn on May 01, 2003 03:09 am ET
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#117, I just want to point out that OF COURSE they were able to quickly buy/sell hundreds of thousands of scrolls. The things only have like 1 weight. A more useful claim by NC would say something like "so and so made X trips back and forth" The number of trips and time spent should be used to determine what IS and what is NOT a "GROSS" violation. A lot of the people banned only made a few trips back and forth before their conscious got to them. Not everyone had this malicious intent to amass millions of adena. Many of them heard what was going on and tried it briefly to experiment with it.
Whitehand told us all that Heine castle made 400k from doing this. Which IMHO isn't much anyway. But what hasn't been said yet is the fact that WW castle (owned by Paldo) only made 19k from this. The only person that would know EXACTLY how much more was gained was Aerith; who happens to be a very good friend of mine. Aerith made one trip to pandora, and the other paldo members involved did not make many more. Aerith and Kannabis stopped everyone from continuing because they felt it was wrong. Unfortunately, they didn't stop it before it began. "To err is human," should we really punish everyone that makes a mistake by giving them the lineage equivalent to capital punishment? There are much better ways of teaching people not to do something than by making examples of anyone and everyone that experimented with something.
The way I see it, both parties (NC and the players) made mistakes. Of course, NC cannot be punished for making a mistake, but the players can.
Oh, and by the way, I wrote to NC and all I got were 2 replies that basically said "Thanks for your feedback, but we don't give a shyt what you have to say." NC is just SO damn good at customer satisfaction...
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comment by flexy24k on May 01, 2003 01:55 am ET
re: Public Service Announcement
I think this says it all:
Responce from: Rock (NCInteractive Staff)
http://boards.lineage-us.com/cgi-bi...=5&o=7&part=all
We investigate every situation like this, and take action when there is evidence to support wrongdoing. We investigated past situations and found no evidence to take action.
In this case, we investigated this instance and found GROSS violations by a few people numbering in the hundreds of thousands, one case even over a million scrolls. We also have chat logs showing clear intent to exploit the issue as well.
We only removed people that actually exploited this situation, no innocent people have been removed as a result of this investigation. All involved parties have been contacted directly.
Rock
NCInteractive - Customer Support
For all of U defending the peeps that got banned, I just found this on a TG forum...
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comment by flexy24k on May 01, 2003 01:36 am ET
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Oh well. Maybe next time when people decide to cheat they wont go around bragging about it.
Think of it this way... How many ojs can 1 person carry at a time? How many scrolls can 1 person carry at a time? Multiply this by how many people were buying and selling prats. Ummmmmmm, thats a whole lot of bling bling!!!
The majority of the people doing this knew they were doing something wrong/sneaky/illegal/underhanded... And the thing that really gets me is that most of the high lvl players that got banned are already filthy rich! And don't try to tell me they're not.
I'm not trying to pass judgment on anyone cuz that's not my job. But these people knew they were doing wrong and they admitted it in chat.
If an atm machine starts spitting out $20 bills and u take them, that's still stealing. ITS STATED CLEARLY IN THE TOS that taking advantage of exploits will get U banned. I have nothing personal against any of the people that got banned. But I do think they were very irresponsible with what they did, and should be ashamed that they brought some of their friends down with them.
If people are gonna quit over this then quit already and stop complaining. More mops for me!!! Most of my closest in game friends have already quit for different reasons. But i continue to strive to accomplish my goals. I miss them, but t hat's not gonna stop me from playing and making new friends. The people that got banned should remake their chars and start over! Have ur friends help U lvl! j/k. Although the only way NC can prove that U have multi users is if U tell them U got hacked by someone U gave ur password to.
Anyways, maybe the punishment didnt fit the crime. But, a crime was committed. Therefore punishment should be handed out. And I'm glad they didn't roll back the server, cuz last rollback I got cheated out of a b-zel... Innocent players would have suffered for the wrong doings of others.....
Thats just my 2 cents.
~K~
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comment by Mackdown on May 01, 2003 01:28 am ET
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Well maybe if everyone really did cancel their acc payments, NC would get scared outta their pants and unban everyone...Remember the last time they got so scared they removed the exp-nerf update? lol that was funny...
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comment by BigPope on May 01, 2003 12:36 am ET
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OhBoy Linweb is a very useful tool. Go experment and maybe you will learn a few things.
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comment by amer on May 01, 2003 12:36 am ET
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Drathen: From the discussions on the forums (as well as just some common sense about laws), intent is a big factor in determining punishment. If you kill someone by accident, you don't get as serious of a punishment as if you kill someone on purpose. If you stab someone 76 times, that's different if you stabbed them once.
As NC has said on the forums, they did whatever investigation they did for the OJ/tax exploit and that's how the guilty parties were identified. We can infer that the OJ exploit did not involve in-game discussion of exploitation and the n-prat exploit did, which is why there were mass bannings for the latter and not the former.
Exact words? I don't know. Perma-ban implies it was pretty incriminating.
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comment by natlswim on May 01, 2003 12:29 am ET
re: Public Service Announcement
why was this considered a bug in the first place?
they publicly anounced an update on a price.
you guys are talking about who is the real guilty person, or when it's both NC's fault and the players fault. but IMOP, I'd think if they tell us that this price has changed, and don't take the initiative to tell us it's a bug(even after they found out), I wouldn't consider it a bug.
weren't they even going to add a 'trade' feature where you buy one item and sell it for more at another place?
edit: ok, by the time I posted this Amer had posted:"Because they said on CHAT that they were cheating"
more understandable now
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comment by Prince Drathen on May 01, 2003 12:29 am ET
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Amer, did they use the word cheating, or did they say something like, "This is a way to make a lot of Adena," or "I'll get rich because of this." To a lot of people, something like this would not be considered a bug. I'll bet someone just said "Hey, you make Adena by doing this and this."
What NCSoft should've done was delete all the Adena on the accounts of the abusers. But they can never put simple solutions like that into effect from some reason.
I don't see how this is any different from the situation on LoA where jewels went back to full price. People who had been saving the commonly dropped jewels made out like bandits. They were warned that they were going to go back to full price. They could've hunted all week before the update and had hundreds of jewels. Should they have been banned for selling the jewels to an NPC?
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comment by amer on May 01, 2003 12:25 am ET
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fedorK: "NCI said that THE price of the PRATS are being changed, how did they cheat when everything is in the game?"
Because they said on CHAT that they were cheating. If they didn't think they were cheating, they shouldn't have said that they were. I feel bad that your friends were banned, but don't take it out on me, I didn't ban anyone. Go learn some anger management.
Drathen: People on LoA were banned (they posted on Templar). No one from Ken has come forward to admit being banned.
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