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comment by Daos on May 01, 2003 07:37 pm ET
re: Public Service Announcement
I thinnk I need to say something here... GET A F***ING LIFE. You all seem to forget that NC can run THEIR game any way they want and if you don't like it then f***ing leave and spare us adults from your childish whining...
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comment by amer on May 01, 2003 07:19 pm ET
re: Public Service Announcement
Weathersmurf:
No one believes it was not a crime. Not the numerous people who have been banned that I've spoken to, not the people who disagree with me on lineage.com. Can you please point me to some example of someone who was permanently banned who says they didn't do anything wrong? Everyone admits they were caught cheating.
"Firstly, it's not the ToS, it's the rules of conduct."
Okay, I misspoke, it's in the Rule of Conduct. We agreed to that, just the same. It doesn't change anything.
"Secondly, it's not a bug exploit, therefore it does not apply."
Says you. Unless you are one of the people who were banned, no one really cares what your position is on it over at NC. NC says it was a bug exploit. The people banned say it was a bug exploit. Again, show me someone who thinks they did nothing wrong. In all the hours and pages of discussion, I have not seen a single person come forward and say "I had no idea it was cheating!" get permanently banned.
"Thirdly, if someone were to post a bug, they would be the ones violating the rules of conduct, not you."
Fine. I'm glad that you wouldn't think of it as my fault. It's not a risk I'm willing to take, and I want no part of it. Figure it out on your own, like the rest of us.
"So in conclusion, you're lying."
lol! Yep, I'm a liar. Why bother even talking about anything with me?
americorps:
You gave me two examples in the form of a one line story with no details on when, the characters, which monsters, what happened, the consequences, who lost experience, the other parties involved, the logs with NC, the emails. I mean you gave me nothing? You think that's sufficient? You wonder why no one can demonstrate to NC that there is unfairness? Because no one is willing to take the time to form a case against them. I've taken "people's word for it" and been burnt. I feel your posts are thoughtful and intelligent, but I don't know you from Adam, and I'm not just going to "take your word for it." Prove it to me. You have proved nothing so far, but you have my attention.
You want specific responses, here I'll pick apart your post:
"They know of account sharers who were not banned"
They do? Show me an example. I have seen posts where NC has said "we will investigate and take appropriate action." How is it that you know investigation found sharing and action was not taken? I get emails in my LC inbox asking me to help them get unbanned because they were caught sharing, but they're nice people. So, as far as I know, people are getting banned for sharing. So, why would I think differently?
"They knew of the oj exploit and niether banned nor even warned."
They said that they investigated the OJ exploit and that they couldn't find any wrongdoing. The only thing you can criticize them for is that the tools they use to investigate are clearly insufficient. I have said so on the lineage.com forums, I say so here.
"They know of the FI boat bug and have done nothing"
It was posted on the forums that this will not be an issue any more and the fix has occurred in today's publish.
"I have seen others responding to the same-sex threads that made blatent homophobic remarks and that is a clear violation of two parts of the tos and they only received an edit, no warning and no ban."
No ban from lineage.com, or no ban from the forums. This *by far* is the easiest of anything to prove and take up with NC. Show me the edited post and the fact that the offender was posting immediately afterwards with no interruption. I frequently take screenshots of people making offensive remarks and global and NC has *always* taken action immediately upon receipt of my complaint.
"How can you look at all the dissent"
People are taking up the following positions (1) permanent ban was too harsh on first offense (2) NC is inconsistent with their administration of justice (3) if you get caught cheating, then it sucks to be you. I think they are all very very valid points, that doesn't mean I'm going to sit here and repeat them or withhold my own thoughts because people disagree.
The only thing I agree with NC on is that they should punish people they catch. I don't expect them to catch everyone, I don't expect everyone to be honest. However, if they DO catch someone and we find out about it, I expect action. So do you. The only disagreement we have is (a) are they fair and (b) is the punishment harsh. For (b) I think on first offense, permanent ban is too harsh and against the stated policy. I already disagree with NC there. For (a) I'm open to. Please prove it to me. Everyone keeps telling me they have proven to me and of all the "I've proven it to you and you won't listen" I have a *single* email from Jory which actually HAS PROOF of NC doing anything remotely suspicious.
I'm not NC. I'm a guy who plays a game for fun, just like you. I have no financial interest, no one to answer to and no weird rules to follow which prevent me from talking about the real issues. Stop mistaking my "cheaters should be punished viewpoint" and "prove it to me" arguments as "NC did the right thing." I listen. I answer. I can be convinced, I'm not sure what I can do, but when I believe in something, I try to make a difference. LC should be a testament to that.
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comment by TLFmaster on May 01, 2003 07:16 pm ET
re: 5/1 - Server Publish
BTW.... why am I stuck at 187 posts? How does that work?
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comment by TLFmaster on May 01, 2003 07:15 pm ET
re: 5/1 - Server Publish
Awhile ago... or a long awhile ago.. someone mentioned the fact that changes on the US servers have affected the Korean servers first. I don't think the hundreds of thousands of people in Korea are complaing about updates... so why should you? Just play the game, and if you don't like it, go to www.lineage.com, and click on the "Cancel account" link.
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comment by Coot on May 01, 2003 07:14 pm ET
re: 5/1 - Server Publish
why does nc change everything? if they wanted to experiment and change a spell two seperate times why wasnt it tested on TEST. isnt that what that server is for? when its in live server stay off of it nc you only make things worst most of the time. ive never seen a company completely ignore its paying customers any other company would be out of business if the US servers were their only servers they'd be out of a job. i think a rollback would of been a little more appropiate instead of the people you banned if you were getting paid at the END of the month maybe you'd have a different way of operating. type /who on your server next time you play maybe when it drops to 100 each they'll get the point
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comment by Foo on May 01, 2003 07:04 pm ET
re: Public Service Announcement
yet another example of shoddy public relations by NC -_-
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comment by Silverself on May 01, 2003 06:53 pm ET
re: Public Service Announcement
Confused!! .......... G/L to all who were banned. I hope I will see you on Lineage2...... O B T W I too would have used the bug if i had known about it. Glad I didn't know. Confused!!
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comment by Doomscythe on May 01, 2003 06:50 pm ET
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comment by SpysLikeUs on May 01, 2003 06:44 pm ET
re: Public Service Announcement
Does anyone think they will ever have a Ban "amnesty" now that so many players are gone? I mean, 300 on Dep during evenings? That's pathetic. My friend was sharing 2 accounts with his girlfriend, some a-hole ratted on them, and got the account with all his best stuff banned. So he did not renew his second account either. NCSoft's gonna Ban themselves outta business soon! I agree banning from this exploit was total BS. They should have cancelled future castle taxes for a month just to screw the Prince's who would lose their followers when they have squatt to pay them and their castle up keep with.
Hell, if NCSoft Austin had half a brain between them, they could have made an event out of it! say that Aden's NPC's are pissed at everyone for explioting the tax system, so they are keeping all other Castle taxes and will take back Aden and be 3 times harder to kill during the Month of May. That's how I would have handled it if I were GM.
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comment by Va1igar on May 01, 2003 06:19 pm ET
re: Ken Spotlight: Chany
illphil, constructive critisisme means : that u explain why/how something could be improved, NOT u are a babo and smell funny...
Aeon's spotlight might not look like others interviews (well do they rly have to?), but i like the more down to earth types of interviews...
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