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November 27, 2002 11:53 pm ET - research by amateras

Correction: DK Set

PlayForum posted a correction (http://community.playforum.net:8080/bbs/prog/column?action=read&iid=10051003&kid=1588) to the DK set (they checked with a GM). Here is a table of the differences:

Reported Actual

-6 AC Set Bonus -4 AC Set Bonus

MP Regen when heavy MP Regen when heavy

Cancel does not cancel morph Cancel does cancel the morph, but you just have to take off a piece and put it back on to get the morph back

-5 HP every 20 seconds -7 HP every 6 seconds

+40 HP, +20 MP No HP/MP bonus

November 27, 2002 11:55 pm ET (#1)

EcKs
Loyal Fan
154 posts
04-17-02

wow that's a HUGE change. looks more fair for level 52+ ppl now.

November 27, 2002 11:56 pm ET (#2)

Tweak
Loyal Fan
456 posts
10-21-01

yup totaly true ekcs !!

DK set is not really great now...

November 27, 2002 11:57 pm ET (#3)

Doomscythe
Loyal Fan
1155 posts
03-21-02

Dk Set isn't that great... -.-

November 27, 2002 11:58 pm ET (#4)

LazyProdigy
Loyal Fan
22 posts
03-17-02

Yeah dk morph sux, i'm glad i sold all my pieces b4 i quit, hey collico if ur around, u can have all my items on dep

November 28, 2002 12:00 am ET (#5)

IntothePain
Loyal Fan
163 posts
11-01-02

damn -7hp every 6 seconds?!! its like being poisoned

November 28, 2002 12:01 am ET (#7)

FlyZ
Loyal Fan
791 posts
11-11-01

o.O...... 7 every 6 sec... that hurts

November 28, 2002 12:07 am ET (#8)

WaRLoRD
Loyal Fan
92 posts
01-28-02

Ouch, thats a hellofa lot worse, lol, that would just drive someone to make lvl 52, lol...

November 28, 2002 12:07 am ET (#9)

UNIVERSAL
Loyal Fan
109 posts
10-05-02

Yeah that seems more fair
It's what u get for being to lazy to lvl up to lvl 52 ^^

November 28, 2002 12:09 am ET (#10)

KnightSpirit
Loyal Fan
137 posts
04-27-02

can you say..............

G - A - R - B - A - G - E?

lol
will be funny seeing DKs end to themselfs =]

I BET ANY MONEY.. people who have it will one day go afk with it on accidently.. and end to themself lol

November 28, 2002 12:16 am ET (#11)

TaosZ
Loyal Fan
200 posts
10-14-02

the dk set SUX big change

November 28, 2002 12:16 am ET (#12)

TaosZ
Loyal Fan
200 posts
10-14-02

the dk set SUX big change

November 28, 2002 12:17 am ET (#13)

DIVERSAL
Loyal Fan
138 posts
10-06-02

laggers end ^_^

November 28, 2002 12:18 am ET (#14)

zome
Loyal Fan
5 posts
09-08-02

wow hope the character using it is con because you are going to go through
ALOT of pots every minute
every minute the knight wouls lose 70 hp so if you hunted for 1 hour
70 x 6 =420 hp for a hunt (sorry if i made a mistake)
that = 42 reds
bout 12 oranges
and about 5 clears
plus damage from mops
is that really worth it?

November 28, 2002 12:18 am ET (#15)

guttermouth
Loyal Fan
68 posts
06-15-02

lol thats not THAT bad i regen faster haha IF u got ALOT of money it wouldnt be so bad...

November 28, 2002 12:20 am ET (#16)

Dryad
Loyal Fan
29 posts
05-29-02

Its good for boss hunting.. and power leveling still

November 28, 2002 12:22 am ET (#17)

sikrob
Loyal Fan
98 posts
04-03-02

on a high level con knight i guess you wouldnt really notice it in a hunt. 7 hp out of 600+ is hardly noticeable. especially when you almost always fighting mops...

November 28, 2002 12:33 am ET (#18)

Taera
LC Reporter
333 posts
01-30-02

Knights regen quickly and even if not I doubt they'd notice the HP loss :)

November 28, 2002 12:43 am ET (#19)

Malakar
Loyal Fan
66 posts
10-25-02

This set is still way too powerful. I think you guys overestimate the hp penalty. In the US servers, you can be almost constantly fighting monsters, and because of that, the hp penalty is still very negligible. Even in the Korean servers it messes up PvP. And unless they want to change the level 52+ morph from DK to something else, they shouldn't allow 51- players to morph to DK at all.

Oh, and to those people talking about mages having a demon set that allows them to cast magic fast, mages rarely cast magic. Mages are not "real" mages in Lineage, as you should know if you've played one to mid to high levels. Their swing speed is much more important than their casting speed, that's why they all use spartoi morph instead of atuba. Plus, DK casts insanely fast. DK is still the best morph for mages, and that's great, except for this set that shouldn't be added anyway.

I like the idea of getting a mostly permanent morph from a set of items, even one that you can't use normally, but I don't like this specific set. I also realize that the set items are very expensive, but it's still not the same as leveling to 52.

November 28, 2002 12:50 am ET (#20)

TLFmaster
Loyal Fan
223 posts
12-02-01

Now THAT'S more like it...

November 28, 2002 01:02 am ET (#21)

Ronin
Loyal Fan
5 posts
05-27-02

Actually #14 70 damage a minute would mean 4,200 hit points an hour.
So then about 420 reds/120 oranges/50 clears an hour based on your example ^^

November 28, 2002 01:03 am ET (#22)

theperv
Loyal Fan
74 posts
10-11-02

This is how its done! Now there wont be anymore ppl complaining DK set is too strong. However b/c its a free morph then it will pay for itself, and since you're going to hit faster than a braved knight even without any enchants then you'll see alot of ppl will want one anyway. However Str knights or knights going on long hunts carrying more than 80 reds or however your weight will be over 48% then you'll want to bring clears to counter the deadly -hp regen rate.

November 28, 2002 01:07 am ET (#23)

TaosZ
Loyal Fan
200 posts
10-14-02

#14 actually it would be 70x60 since 70 hp lost a minute and 60 min in a hour.... so 4200 lost a hunt....

November 28, 2002 01:08 am ET (#24)

TaosZ
Loyal Fan
200 posts
10-14-02

ooops never noticed #21 posted that but anyways... it is completely useless if you loose that much an hour.

November 28, 2002 01:10 am ET (#25)

DIVERSAL
Loyal Fan
138 posts
10-06-02

hey what ever happened to
-5 AC, +100 HP, +70 MP, +1 STR, +1 DEX. Prevent all damage from undead but +2 damage from all other sources.

November 28, 2002 01:10 am ET (#26)

lordgohan
Loyal Fan
64 posts
01-20-02

well, your going to use less reds killing mops because you will kill them faster? am i right? so it would prolly balence out in the end.

November 28, 2002 01:10 am ET (#27)

gloenk
Loyal Fan
16 posts
10-13-02

man...dk set sucks now, might as well jsut get an iron set o.0 seems better bonus...

November 28, 2002 01:12 am ET (#28)

Shah
Loyal Fan
87 posts
06-10-02

Doesnt seem you can achieve very good ac with it either..unless one would risk overzelling

November 28, 2002 01:13 am ET (#29)

gloenk
Loyal Fan
16 posts
10-13-02

malakar shh dont give NC ideas ^^

November 28, 2002 01:17 am ET (#30)

zome
Loyal Fan
5 posts
09-08-02

i saw my mistake right after i posted it #23

November 28, 2002 01:40 am ET (#31)

Morticae
LC Reporter
103 posts
09-25-02

heh heh, prices in US Lin are so dependant on this site. I'm guessing Amer wants a set ;). As soon as he gets one, this'll all be a bad dream--just wait.

November 28, 2002 01:49 am ET (#32)

tlhung
Loyal Fan
102 posts
12-07-01

Dk set is useless.

November 28, 2002 01:53 am ET (#33)

Klassic
Loyal Fan
9 posts
10-13-02

But Imagine this for mages...
If a mage is on a green and is using a +6som, they will gain mp fast (hitting at DK speed o.0). They will also regen mp when heavy, using an som and blue pot will make regen pretty quick.

Mages will be able to get enough mp to heal themselves, counteracting the hp loss, and they would still be able to cast magic incredibly quickly, and bash things with the sof.

If you had the money and the equipment, you could make it work pretty well for mages.

November 28, 2002 02:01 am ET (#34)

BlackBow
Loyal Fan
39 posts
06-12-02

Too bad dk set is knight only Klassic... poor mages get nothing
(except for new alignment penalties on all their good spells. Oh wait .. thats not a good thing.)

November 28, 2002 02:15 am ET (#35)

Vail
Loyal Fan
260 posts
02-27-02

#4 Haven't you quit and returned like 500 times? Let it go.

November 28, 2002 02:20 am ET (#36)

Jaire
Loyal Fan
74 posts
02-12-02

Ok, you all need to think harder. This set doesn't suck at all. Who says you need to leave every piece on all the time? Switch out one pieces with something else while you are walking and killing easy stuff. When something a little bigger comes along, it's 2 hotkey strokes (one piece off one on)and you're DK. Then switch back when you are done. And before anyone starts going on about sieges, like a DK walking into a siege zone isn't an automatic cancel target.

November 28, 2002 02:28 am ET (#37)

DhaosXT
Loyal Fan
51 posts
04-24-02

lol, no one wanted to believe me.

When JoL came to Dep, I tested it, cancelled myself and the "poly" went off. I had to take it out and put it to get the morph again. In my way to see it, JoL was basically the same concept as DK/Demon Sets, were you put an item/items and you acquired a polimorph.

So, after my test, I globalled, and people began to say that it was going to be different in DK Set, that even if you cancel poly wasnt going to go... lollll

That happens when people don't test and even if you tell them they don't believe -.-

November 28, 2002 02:43 am ET (#38)

redpig
Loyal Fan
283 posts
10-15-02

#36 is right
no1 tells u to put on the set 24/7
*standing in town pumping pots*loL~funny to see

switch between rkh,kv,and dk helm
or between dk glove and pg,ig

is it that hard??oO;;

November 28, 2002 02:50 am ET (#39)

KrOnIcS
Loyal Fan
20 posts
10-24-02

ewwww dk set sucks ! oh will spartoi is good enough for +8tsu..~ ^_~"

November 28, 2002 03:01 am ET (#40)

gigi
Loyal Fan
641 posts
05-01-02

GO GO GO
die in town, 6sec lag with dk set on
boom lol...die again O.O

muhahahahahahaha

November 28, 2002 03:12 am ET (#41)

TeronElf
Loyal Fan
185 posts
09-21-02

hahahahahahahahaha dk set sux

November 28, 2002 03:12 am ET (#42)

BigPope
LC Admin
622 posts
01-18-02

actually it wouldnt be that badd. you would easly win a fight against a non dk with it on.

November 28, 2002 03:20 am ET (#43)

K-ZS-M
Loyal Fan
925 posts
05-04-02

hmmmm
I wonder
imagine if u died in dk set, u're full law, so u won't drop anything
everytime I log in, my comp has 10 sec loading lag before I'm actually in the game
I'm sure not everyone is playing on a fast comp
so with that penalty, u would die everytime u restart unless u got pots lol
man
that is worse than Hell on loa server
can't wait to see someone get a full set, die, then we all watch them die over and over again until they're lvl 10 again hehehe
teach them a lesson not to wear dk set anymore
guessing with this in mind, the pieces aren't as expensive as they were

November 28, 2002 03:30 am ET (#44)

Avari_Dep
Loyal Fan
18 posts
11-14-02

According to the stats explanation section, a con knight regens 1 - 7 hps every 2 seconds at lvl 28. Thats an average of 3 - 21 hps every 6 seconds (1.5 - 10.5 while moving). For con kinghts you will just notice your not regaining as fast. And I'm pretty sure a lvl 45+ con knight regains even faster than that. So this set is still very valuable to almost any lvl con knight

November 28, 2002 03:47 am ET (#45)

L
Loyal Fan
481 posts
01-16-02

mmm... such a pain when over weighted -.-;

November 28, 2002 04:04 am ET (#46)

CableGuy
Loyal Fan
37 posts
09-22-02

the hell with dk set, just lvl to 52 =)

November 28, 2002 04:11 am ET (#47)

Toi
Loyal Fan
79 posts
09-21-02

#19 you're the kind of person to complain about anything and everything eh? majority of us think thats actually a fair set penalty now and it is so.... I still want a set so if none of you dep people want your dk set items give em to meh :-D

November 28, 2002 04:27 am ET (#48)

Foo
Loyal Fan
43 posts
11-19-02

lol DK set sux -_-

November 28, 2002 04:31 am ET (#49)

K-ZS-M
Loyal Fan
925 posts
05-04-02

by the time I make money for the set
I will be lvl 52 lol

November 28, 2002 05:40 am ET (#50)

L
Loyal Fan
481 posts
01-16-02

well.... it's still super useful for rich lvl 49+ players on their way to lvl 52 and to fight in seige o.o;

November 28, 2002 05:44 am ET (#51)

Dlirk
LC Reporter
75 posts
01-06-02

I still want it...

November 28, 2002 05:45 am ET (#52)

WizSnake
Loyal Fan
260 posts
06-21-02

this set sux...a 18 con knight needs con ammy to regen faster -.-

November 28, 2002 05:46 am ET (#53)

bigpeeler
Loyal Fan
129 posts
10-23-02

HAHAHAHA TAKE THAT KNIGHTS!!! HAHAHAHA!!! *faintz from laughing 2 hard*

November 28, 2002 05:58 am ET (#54)

redpig
Loyal Fan
283 posts
10-15-02

seriously
how does this set suck according to ur standards??

do u want a dk set that's knight only, gives more ac, dk morph??
then all of the non-knights will complain again.
now they add some features in so it will not b the "ultimate set"
and u complain it sux?????what is wrong with u ppl??
who is telling u to keep it on 24/7???u change btween homP and kv/rkh from time to time, and knights' hotkeys r mostly empty, how hard is it to press 1 more button twice???

u just complain about everything=.=

PS; the ultimate set is +9bone set, don't believe me? count the ac

November 28, 2002 06:25 am ET (#55)

bigpeeler
Loyal Fan
129 posts
10-23-02

in response 2 post number 54...

we aint complaining dat it sux... non-knights complained it wuz 2 good and knights luv'd it... then we find out it really aint all dat and its da KNIGHTS dat r complaining... not da non-knights but da knights... we non-knights r rejoicing after finding out dat it aint dat great b-cuz we all kno knights can already woop us and da last thing we need is 4 them 2 take a couple of secondz away in how long it takez em 2 do so... so dont get mad dat were complaining... CUZ WERE NOT

its da knightz dat r complaining...

and PS i don understand wut u mean by +9 bone set being da best b-cuz da chances of a +9 bone set r about as slim as da chances of me "COMPLAINING" dat da dk set sux... of course +9 bone set would b best... jeez almost any +9 set would b good... u saying +9 bone set is best is like me saying +15 iron set is best...

November 28, 2002 08:05 am ET (#56)

mp34567
Loyal Fan
89 posts
06-28-02

yea bone a set isint safely enchanted at all.....i would say that if you try to make a +9 u would need alot of cash....just think about the metal thats needed now.....i dunno where u came up with the idea of a +9 boneset.....thats 9 points over the safe enchant value......so its like saying hey +15 epm anyone? now in my lineage time i have never seen nor heard of a +15 epm....but sure u go for ur +9 boneset if u get it plz do get amer to do a story! i am sure he will considering all the metal and zels u wasted each time it blows.....its not impossible but all i can say is goodluck and there are better ways (and ALOT cheaper) ways to get decent ac

November 28, 2002 11:05 am ET (#57)

Killazerg
Loyal Fan
101 posts
02-05-02

Oh man the dk set still rocks!! I want one! Yeah u dont have to keep it on all the time, U make it +5 and it rocks, u lvl so fast and save pots on killing mops, which u pay back to 6hp penalty!!!
All i got to say is WOOT WOOT DK SET!!!

November 28, 2002 11:10 am ET (#58)

TheStoned0ne
Loyal Fan
35 posts
03-31-02

actually 9 boneset isn't highest if u take al +9
+9 kv , +9 cpm or even dsm, and +9towershield would be 4-5 ac more
for mage prince however it would be best

November 28, 2002 11:56 am ET (#59)

Solnac
Loyal Fan
113 posts
10-25-01

Couldnt you just keep one part of the set on a hot key, and keep that item off when you arent in combat, then put it on once you start fighting, it only takes like half asecond, and I know it is easy cuz you have to switch frmo bow to sword alot with elf if you arent all dex. That way you wouldnt really be losing all that hp, and so what if you morph out of it, all you really need it for is the swing speed.

November 28, 2002 12:53 pm ET (#60)

Cody
Loyal Fan
510 posts
09-10-02

I made +4 Bone Set on test awile ago ^^

November 28, 2002 01:47 pm ET (#61)

FrozenYak
Loyal Fan
125 posts
09-30-02

For the people constantly using 'dat' and 'de' in a sentence...is it really so hard to put a 'th' in there? I can understand using it once in a while but the way some of you use it makes you sound like youve freshly escaped an institution.

And they're right...the dk set is still awesome, its not like you ahve to wear it all the time - and im sure it would make knights much better in sieges or for bosses etc. And if you guys wanna calculate how much hp you would lose you gotta calculate in that your gaining hp at the same time.

November 28, 2002 02:15 pm ET (#62)

Onlyone
Loyal Fan
247 posts
02-07-02

yes, what was with the mistake?

November 28, 2002 02:50 pm ET (#63)

K1DA
Loyal Fan
49 posts
10-24-02

bahaha.. i sold my dk stuff for TONS a long time ago... good riddance!

November 28, 2002 03:12 pm ET (#64)

Onlyone
Loyal Fan
247 posts
02-07-02

t.t o.o you mean gloves to k1da

November 28, 2002 04:05 pm ET (#65)

L
Loyal Fan
481 posts
01-16-02

soooo.... what happens to the dk set now? is the price starting to drop?

November 28, 2002 04:09 pm ET (#66)

Onlyone
Loyal Fan
247 posts
02-07-02

no clue ... that will be the only glove show far i think

November 28, 2002 04:11 pm ET (#67)

Tissot
Loyal Fan
180 posts
06-22-02

DK Set is very good. But make it so that all classes can wear it.

November 28, 2002 04:12 pm ET (#68)

Etikilam
Loyal Fan
381 posts
02-12-02

TheStoned0ne, it is the highest SET. S E T. As in a group of armor that gives a bonus ~_~.
FrozenYak, its just like people saying HEY #64 instead of Hey Onlyone. Gets on my nerves >_<
This set is still good for con knights. Especially in no pot duels. You people keep saying "its good if your rich" IF? If you have this set you are rich. No question there. This isnt something you get off kobolds.

November 28, 2002 04:43 pm ET (#69)

Friggy
Loyal Fan
97 posts
09-09-02

damn... went low...

btw , isn,t Amer some kind of disease
and what does Amatras stand for ? like : A Matras ?

o.0

November 28, 2002 05:03 pm ET (#70)

BlackBow
Loyal Fan
39 posts
06-12-02

BTW: for those who have no yet embraced the idea of hotkeying one piece of the set yet, you will end up doing so anyways(regardless of the hp loss) because you need to re-equip one piece every time you get cancelled to get the morph back. This is still faster than using a sosc and selecting dk from way down the list, even if you were lvl 52.

November 28, 2002 06:23 pm ET (#71)

CableGuy
Loyal Fan
37 posts
09-22-02

it is kind of funny how it regens mp even when heavy =) it's not like knights have a lot of mp and they need to regen...i guess only for mp, cuz hp is suppose to be a penalty, if it regens hp also, then the penalty would not really be much of a penalty. also, ill like to point out that most knights if not all who hunts alot, dunt hunt underweight. perhaps almost at the end of a hunt, u go back to underweight, but for the most part knights r overweight and dunt recover hp.

November 28, 2002 06:26 pm ET (#72)

FrozenYak
Loyal Fan
125 posts
09-30-02

I agree with tissot here....unless they plan on giving the other classes a good morph set (ie, de set for dex elves) then alls they are doing is beefing up the knights yet again - NC's pets

November 28, 2002 06:32 pm ET (#73)

K-ZS-M
Loyal Fan
925 posts
05-04-02

To make this the ultimate set for knights
u need coi as well
dk set+coi = easier hunting
would be great for places like fv or dv

I know some korean on the korean servers have a full demon set
give us the info!!!

November 28, 2002 07:53 pm ET (#74)

Chong
Loyal Fan
21 posts
11-11-02

DK set isnt that bad, a con knight will lose maybe 1 hp overall per cycle. Plus like it was pointed out youll be so freakin fast that it will probably be worth it. Only thing is that your ac wont be that great. But the regen mp while overweight is pretty kewl.

November 28, 2002 09:34 pm ET (#75)

WaterElf
LC Reporter
145 posts
11-16-01

we still need dk set :P

November 28, 2002 10:09 pm ET (#76)

Doomscythe
Loyal Fan
1155 posts
03-21-02

DK Set would still be good for Boss hunt just put it on when you need it...

November 28, 2002 11:03 pm ET (#77)

Klassic
Loyal Fan
9 posts
10-13-02

All I gotta say is
the demon morph better make me crap my pants.

DK set...*sigh* it's all very frustrating

November 29, 2002 01:25 am ET (#78)

vinsma
Loyal Fan
15 posts
04-12-02

November 29, 2002 02:24 pm ET (#79)

Dekster
Loyal Fan
23 posts
05-31-02

Aaaaaahhhhhhhhhhh hahaha.

Well I guess this means I won't be looking forward to any DE set either. The penalties seem pretty stiff.

November 29, 2002 09:19 pm ET (#80)

MarieClaire
Loyal Fan
19 posts
10-27-02

i think da dk set ish coo cuz yooh ken act like real dk and get interview from amer :)..jk

but yes yooh would die during da interview cuz yooh cahnt suxs no pots otherwise amer will find out yooh not lvl 52 0.0

November 30, 2002 03:04 am ET (#81)

GarbageMan
Loyal Fan
46 posts
06-11-02

um.... English please MarieClaire..

November 30, 2002 10:32 am ET (#82)

FrozenYak
Loyal Fan
125 posts
09-30-02

but marie, its hard for ppl to dark elf morph if they arent lvl 52

November 30, 2002 11:01 am ET (#83)

Onlyone
Loyal Fan
247 posts
02-07-02

o.o lol delf set never thought bout that

November 30, 2002 04:47 pm ET (#84)

razmus
Loyal Fan
5 posts
10-16-02

The set is more fair to 52+ now.... and the set isnt much good for seige... but still great for a hunting con knight. It's a fair adjustment.

December 01, 2002 01:56 am ET (#85)

GarbageMan
Loyal Fan
46 posts
06-11-02

The set is GREAT for sieges. It is ideal in PvP, whether it playerS vs playerS or plaayer vs player. It is even great for hunting. the DK set still rules.

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