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August 14, 2003 03:19 pm ET - research by Lineage - US
Combat Craft of the Dark Elf
Shhh… listen now; if you’re to survive as a Dark Elf, you must learn your weapon craft well. The Dark Elf is a master of assassination, with a basic dexterity and magical powers similar to Elves, and attack strength greater than many Knights. However, the Dark Elf defensive capabilities are only somewhat higher than a Mage, and they are incapable of wielding many commonly-known two-handed weapons, instead specializing mainly in an arsenal known only to their own kind.

  • Edoryu. A set of swords used with both hands. The nimble Dark Elf who wields the edoryu can execute lightning-quick attacks with the double-blades and has a chance to inflict a critical attack on their target.
  • Throwing Knife. A small and deadly dagger used with a special gauntlet for throwing. The dexterous Dark Elf who wields these knives does so at a closer range than their bow-wielding brethren.
  • Claw. A set of hooked gloves used with both hands. The skilled Dark Elf who wields these claws has a chance to inflict a critical attack on their target.

Both Elves and Dark Elves share the bow-crafting lore and often use crossbows when other weapons are unavailable. Dark Elves are more adept at the bow-skill than Knights, but are slower than the Elves of Einhasad.

Go now, in stealth and silence, young one; use this knowledge to prepare yourself, for perilous times are at hand for the Dark Elves.

Episode 1: Light and Shadow ushers in a new era of Lineage. The first of six new episodes covering the time of Dark Conquest introduces many new weapons and items, including a unique dual-weapon system for the Dark Elves.

August 14, 2003 03:22 pm ET (#1)
Loyal Fan

58 posts

1st post

Woot, I like the double sword name better than Edoryu.

So both the double swords AND the claws have a chance to inflict critical addition to their already high damage stats.

However, it seems that they have pretty bad soft ac.....since they say its similar to the mage.

Mage is AC/5

AC/4 will be their's it seems.

Or same as elf/prince (AC/3)

Knight is AC/2

Their lower HP, combined with soft -ac, combined with their inability to use a shield, really hapmperes their ability to hunt and to fight. While they may look over-powered at one glance, when you look closely, you realize that they will really have a hard time staying alive at bosses, and not to mention will be a very expensive class to hunt with, as they lack any good healing spells.

Imagine, more leveling cost than a knight, with as much hp as a dex elf, with soft-ac almost as bad as a mage without any healing spells of an elf or a mage.

In my opinion, they NEED all those weapons just to even compete!

Yes they may look very powerful, but I dont think they are over-powered at all. Although we will only be able to tell once it goes live on the US servers.

Good thing we dont have soft-ac on loa...

Also, even though some claws have 17 damage on small, its still worse than the TSU since TSU is 16 damage on small AND its one handed, while all claws are two handed :(

With all that said, this new 'critical hit' on both the double swords and claws intrigues me. I do not think it would be a large amount of a damage, certainly not as much as the magical weapons on LOA.

Of course that would depend on the chance they have of going off.

If assuming that they go off at around 5% of the time, then approx. 20 damage more per critical hit seems like a nice addition without being overpowering.

Of course, for all I know, the natural swing speed of the dark elf could be really slow, especially when using these new double swords, that hit 'twice'.

It would be a really cruel joke if they do 2x the damage but swing at like 1/3 the rate. That would just mean that they do less damage than most swords while being 2 handed.

Overall, I really am looking forward to this new episode, and cant wait till it comes! I hope that we get this on the US test server next wednesday, and the following week, it would be on US live.

It will be funny to watch the US test server population rise to like a 1000 with everyone making these new dark elves. I can just imagine the newbie fights erupting all over tests over all the over-crowded newbie hunting area.

Please, NC, hurry up and give us the episode :)

A lot of people are hoping that the dark elf does not suffer from the same stun lock that is badly affecting the elves and the mages. That one 'feature' can either make or break a lot of people's willingness to play this class.

In the next episode (EP. 14), they will be introducing new sprites for all the classes. Those of us who play elf, are waiting hand and foot for that episode because maybe the new sprites will fix the stun lock problems.

That is an additional reason we are so waiting for this episode. We are hoping that if DE doesnt suffer from any stun lock, than maybe the new elf and mage sprites wont have the stun lock as well.

August 14, 2003 03:22 pm ET (#2)
Loyal Fan

133 posts

What a cute story. go now young grasshopper!

August 14, 2003 03:28 pm ET (#3)
Loyal Fan

74 posts

when does this episode comin in????

August 14, 2003 03:35 pm ET (#4)
Loyal Fan

94 posts


August 14, 2003 03:37 pm ET (#5)
Loyal Fan

23 posts

still didnt give us release date,,, those babos >><

August 14, 2003 03:41 pm ET (#6)
Loyal Fan

722 posts

oo sounds like fun cant wait to see them in action

August 14, 2003 03:46 pm ET (#7)
LC Reporter

150 posts

yum yum, mages suck lol (not on loa)

August 14, 2003 03:46 pm ET (#8)
Loyal Fan

147 posts

that must be longest first post ever o.o

August 14, 2003 03:48 pm ET (#9)
Loyal Fan

667 posts

miyamoto musashi was a dark elf he invented the fight with 2 swords.. Lol jk

August 14, 2003 04:02 pm ET (#10)
Loyal Fan

1 posts

since loa has no soft ac maybe dark elves will do really well on loa ^^

August 14, 2003 04:12 pm ET (#11)
Loyal Fan

35 posts

Ok, are these weapons the same as assassin class from Ragnarok online?

August 14, 2003 04:20 pm ET (#12)
Loyal Fan

74 posts

De wont be that bad.

Just imagine a str or dex elf with no heals whatsoever, bad hps, but can use a tsu and instead of doing massive dmg with bow can do so with a sword.

Okay maybe its just a little rough since its best heal spells are learned by newb regular elves but maybe if they'll have spells like NB as lvl 50 bonus (youw wish haha) then they'll rock. Otheriwse they're knights with little more dmg than knights and regular elves but without shields and can do FBurn and a few unique spells.

All the ppl that waste their pts on con elves are at a huge advantage with hps more than most str knights but they'll realize that once they're 50+ it wont matter much anymore b/c of NB just like des will figure out they got nothing but larger hp pool except there's nothing to look forward to except pot duels like knights and non-water (such a word? Nope) elves.

Really if you want to have a larger hps/mp for any class then sacrifice your troll belts for a hp/mp belt. Better grab them now before they go up in prices again.

Their main use will be to die honorably in battle. Leap forward young grasshoppers! Make your sensei proud. Sniff, look at them go.

August 14, 2003 04:54 pm ET (#13)
Loyal Fan

69 posts


August 14, 2003 05:02 pm ET (#14)
LC Reporter

125 posts

If I'm not mistaken the Claws and Double swords hit twice per round...
That's a significant advantage over a Tsu. I guess my only concern is that if the knights are hitting twice in that same spawn as a DE because of braves, then well your attack strength is neutralized and you are left with a knight with no AC...

We'll see how beneficial the spells are. I reserve judgement until I see it.

Honestly by defensive capabilities being slightly higher than a mage I think they were referring to the AC available to them and not Soft AC. No shield, specialized gear that gives you buffs but not the best AC...

August 14, 2003 06:19 pm ET (#15)
Prince Drathen
Loyal Fan

223 posts

This is some bullshit. They can't use commonly-known 2-Handed weapons? Oh no, that's horrible, seeing as 2-Handed weapons are so OVERWHELMINGLY popular in Lineage. How come Dark Elves can inflict critical hits, and no other class can? They'd better clear all this up with Episode 2. Christ, that's like saying they're making a new class, and it gets all these great new abilities, and the only downside is that they can't use Mage Staves. Awful.

August 14, 2003 06:20 pm ET (#16)
Loyal Fan

81 posts

DE I think is going to be pretty good class...I think its basically just going to be a something like a str knight...that has the spell of bravery(not hitting faster just walking faster)...and for hitting faster the claws and double sword...instead of using pots(braves)...just a thought

August 14, 2003 06:37 pm ET (#17)
Loyal Fan

6 posts

I think it will be a challange,

the extr dmg, and less ac will be similar to an assassin from diablo2 expansion.

they can dole out the punishment but sure use the pots up.

my opinion anyway.. do wish they would give us a date though.

August 14, 2003 07:48 pm ET (#18)
Loyal Fan

667 posts

Some problems for DE:
They will have low mp or they will not be able to recover it fast it will be a major problem for hunting but I dont know...
What bonus will they have. I mean, they will get damage bonus or hit bonus as elf knight and prince get? If they dont it may change a lot in high lvls when figting the other classes 0.0
What quest will it get when u reach lvl 50? What about using morphs if they hit with 2 swords, what about when dark elf reach lvl 52?
Im pretty sure NCI thought about all that already but im wondering..

August 14, 2003 11:06 pm ET (#19)
Loyal Fan

444 posts

it has been annoced that des cannot poly, but are always in a state of polymorph...
(right? o.o?)

August 14, 2003 11:27 pm ET (#20)
Loyal Fan

2 posts

i also heard that DE can't poly, but are always in a state of "poly". o.O that's pretty cool, less money spent on poly scrolls.

i wonder if they'll have good MR like regular elves (minus the elven mr increasing spells)

good thing i play LoA where i don't have to worry about soft ac.

August 14, 2003 11:41 pm ET (#21)
Loyal Fan

5 posts

Uhhh... Your all dorks... Just wait for the update and start one if u want. lol... deal with it :P I know mine is gonna rock :P... LoA is for Babos... just have really high ac and you'll be okay :D... haha

August 15, 2003 01:36 am ET (#22)
Loyal Fan

283 posts

can you say copy cat??

the darkelf is exactly the same as the theif/assasin class in RO, everything from the speed, low hp, critical hit, hide in coi spell

and by the posts above, I think a lot of lineage players do not know how strong a high lvl assasin is in RO, in RO, assasin right now is the most played class in the game, next to priests, which does heal and enchant, assasin's speed, atk speed, high damage makes up for the lack of hp
don't forget that dark elf has 40%? faster normal speed than all other classes, can use acceleration, that's almost double the speed of other un-hasted classes, I believe that dark elf would still b able to use swords like sls, or kat, but after a while, u would find that double handed weapons are way better bcuz the double hits, it's just the same in RO, assasins are able to use katars or swords,daggers,axes, or those combine for double hits
most assasins choose to use katars because with high agility(1 of the stats in RO) it causes more damage than double sword, and with high strenth, double swords would do more damage, I think those are the good things about RO.

this class is not set out to hunt bosses, it's not used to siege, it has a morph at lvl45, it's call assasin, which means they are assasins, make sense?

all I really see of this class are 2 types, str and dex, putting in con is a waste, because ur hp is not going to matter than much, it's more of doing damage to others that counts for this class.

it's going to b fun, but I don't see this being that useful in offence tho.

August 15, 2003 01:39 am ET (#23)
Loyal Fan

283 posts

I don't know why
but I would b disappointed at NC decide to let loa dark elves have more acs than other servers.

because then dark elf will b REALLY dominate knights and elves

the soft ac for mage is stupid, but it's NC's way of preventing str mages to dominate, soft ac for dark elves would b sensable, cuz they r already so strong......................

August 15, 2003 02:32 am ET (#24)
LC Admin

864 posts

I tend to agree with redpig re: usefulness on Ken. Mages really aren't that useful on Ken either =/

August 15, 2003 02:44 am ET (#25)
Loyal Fan

1 posts

i think de are gonna to be a strong charater, they'll do lots of dmg, they walk as fast as a braved knight, with double hit attack as fast, they may have low life, but there items give them +hp, or +hp regen....

so this makes me think that de won't be overly strong, yet overly weak

August 15, 2003 03:09 am ET (#26)
Loyal Fan

11 posts


can't you guys just wait 'till the episode comes...?

August 15, 2003 04:28 am ET (#27)
Loyal Fan

74 posts

#22 Ro owes the following mmorpg for their idea on assassins. In other words their assassin is a copy-cat of...DAOC, D2, EQ, SB, etc.

Some of the above games came out long before RO even launched.

RO's engine is ff tactic's. Gravity must have a stowaway Square employee.

Someone mentioned that Diab 2 exp has assassin and if im not mistaken used katars (dual wielding blades).

But thats okay b/c most of those mmorpg owed D&D their existence. Nothing is more wasteful then overlooking a great idea even if it means stealing someone else's and calling it your own.

August 15, 2003 04:43 am ET (#28)
Loyal Fan

19 posts

im gunna make a agility/luck dark elf v_v

August 15, 2003 05:08 am ET (#29)
Loyal Fan

283 posts

a char is not defined by who created it, it's defined by how well it's presented in a game

I haven't play those games u talked about, but RO right now is the top mmorpg game in asia, I think lineage is like 2 or 3, but RO's assasin is really 1 of the strong charaters in that game, and it's not just the assasin, it's also phatasm island that's really RO-like

and tell me, which game was so original that it didn't copy from anything?
people who program games are call game developers, not game creaters

today i was playing chess, and it just hit me, how simple it was, rpg games are just further stage of chess, u do the same things, except rpg gives more options
but they are still different, because how they defined their games.

lineage is defining thier char, but it's so much based on RO's, but then the things are sensable which makes it legal.

also for any1 who doubt the strength of dark elf; I just went to nue's lineage, and found out about dark elf spells and stuff, a simple armor break will let u hit ur opponents full strength, regardless of their ac, does that compensate ur low hp now?

August 15, 2003 07:54 am ET (#30)
Loyal Fan

58 posts

Actually Lineage is still the largest MMORPG in Asia.

August 15, 2003 09:36 am ET (#31)
Loyal Fan

2 posts

ho hum when i looked in the spell list last time it said armour break did nothing

August 15, 2003 09:43 am ET (#32)
Loyal Fan

925 posts

if they were really copying another game illegally, the company they copied it off of would sue NC
tough finding original things these days
most games if u think about it, r a copy of something from some other game in the past
reason lots of companies use names from ancient myths and texts since it isn't illegal grabbing info from there and would be unique to ppl since no one would know about it

RO is the biggest in asia?
at least RO in asia runs smoother than the international RO
doesn't lag at all (played on korean RO servers before)

August 15, 2003 11:06 am ET (#33)
Loyal Fan

38 posts

dark elf will have worse ac then elf.

August 15, 2003 01:44 pm ET (#34)
Loyal Fan

283 posts

actually RO is the biggest, since so much is coming from the tw and hk market, and I think talewave is quickly catching on to the other big games

and it's is not illegal, cuz NC has done something so that character adopt to lineage's own game style, but what I'm saying is that they did it after seeing RO's assasin doing so well, why didn't they impliment thise earlier? the last char type they implimented was in ep9 or 10? if they knew of the power of this character, they would of put it in pretty long ago
they r trying to beat RO, but it's hard cuz lineage has an age restriction, yet RO contains minimal violance which allows younger children to play, and the graphics attrack more girl players than lineage.

I kinda hate RO, their company is so crappy, their servers get hack so often, and what do they do to solve the problem? roll backs- _ -;
and all those hacks and bots just make u dun want to hunt, cuz u put so much time and effort into it while the same time some1 is out doing something else and let his char lvl by itslef.................\ _ /

August 15, 2003 04:23 pm ET (#35)
Loyal Fan

3 posts

wat is stun lock o_o

August 15, 2003 04:42 pm ET (#36)
Loyal Fan

58 posts

Lineage is by far the largest :). RO doesnt even come close yet.

#35, Stun Lock is when many things are attacking you, you cannot attack them back, you kind of 'get stunned' and arent able to walk or fight for a while, even after the target attacking you is dead. You can't even switch targets because you are still locked into that animation.

August 15, 2003 07:51 pm ET (#37)
Loyal Fan

351 posts

Amer you dont think mages on ken are useful? from a party hunting point of view, an 18 wis 20 int (from int ammy and book) mage is wonderful to hunt with when combined with 2 knights, especially on FI they can slow drake and cyc, enchant and heal alot (especially if all in the same pledge), and hardly ever break a sweat. (csom mana cloak blue pot maybe wis pot).

im a lvl 50 water con elf. i can act as a heal mage on FI if i need to, mainly when going with just me and 1 other dk knight. i used to think only my kind of elf (especially lvl 50 water, not as much con vs dex) would be able to do this. i was wrong. the only difference i have seen is mages tend to have trouble with mops, relying on the knight to do everything for them in terms of damage. it is nice that my elf can help out in the hunting aspect, but mages can do ok too...

so basically all i was trying to say is even on ken, mages arent all that worthless in terms of hunting...

August 16, 2003 12:21 am ET (#38)
Loyal Fan

283 posts

have u seen the popularity of RO over lineage?
lineage might b the biggest game in korea, but asia-wise, RO is dominating the market, lineage right now is loosing a lot of attracks, there are tons of MMORPGS that are in the market, and even NC released lineage2, which is a direct opponent to lineage1.
like I say, RO attrack more players than lineage does, and right now it's the top game in ASIA.
btw, that news u showed me, it doesn't prove anything and it's old,a merge like that should have been done long ago, JYonline has already dominated the chinese markets for years, in order for NC to gain grounds in china, they have to sell adenas for real money, that's low, and after the first server been opened 2 montsh, it's hacked, yes, they have done a merge, but is it really successful?we'll have to wait and see.

hunting-wise, no other char can beat mage, give me a csom, 10mgems,and I'll hunt till I'm bored, but we are talking about the pvp perspectivve, wer are talkign about the usefulness of mage and dark elf in a fight, and o~ ken can't fight, so how can they be useful?
I think what amer was probably thinking is about coi mage pking, that's 1 of the strong point of being an int mage, but u can't do that on ken, so it's not useful, same as dark elf, main abilities are in the pvp,pking.

August 16, 2003 03:25 pm ET (#39)
Loyal Fan

45 posts

why should soft ac for de be ok and not for mage?
de aint that strong! mages are stronger with there spells.
normal dexelf will have more dex as de (with spell)
normal str elf will have more str then de (with spell)

maybe they can use wafers!!

August 16, 2003 05:58 pm ET (#40)
Loyal Fan

56 posts

lol i think lineage is the best game in the world. i havent playd a game better then lineage

August 16, 2003 06:20 pm ET (#41)
Loyal Fan

125 posts

im really wondering about those throwing daggers....if they are not retrievable upon death of enemy, that looks like a fairly expensive attack/hunting tool for DE

August 16, 2003 06:27 pm ET (#42)
Loyal Fan

58 posts

#38, Could you give me any stats or link proving what you say? I've given you a link clearly stating that Lineage is the largest in the far you have offered nothing. For all I know, your just making it up/

August 16, 2003 09:14 pm ET (#43)
Loyal Fan

8 posts

do we get an extra character slot for a dark elf (or any other class) if we alrdy hav 3 good characters that we dont want to delete?

August 16, 2003 09:37 pm ET (#44)
Loyal Fan

74 posts


The idea of assassins have been in Lineage database for a long time.
Phantasm island is never gravity's idea.

This came from the poet Allan Poe's "Island of the Fay" which was parallel to Lineage's Phantasm island and the whole light and dark scheme with dark elves.

August 17, 2003 12:13 am ET (#45)
Loyal Fan

138 posts

assassin will be able to attack while invisible but only when they are next to a wall and next epi they they will be able to have a skills called right hand master and left and mastery o_o
and as a good friend of mine said, "I like the assassin's ones *bouncy bouncy* hehe ^^~"

August 17, 2003 12:19 am ET (#46)
Loyal Fan

72 posts


August 17, 2003 09:08 am ET (#47)
Loyal Fan

8 posts

can you say copy cat??

the darkelf is exactly the same as the theif/assasin class in RO, everything from the speed, low hp, critical hit, hide in coi spell

mm... no..
I do believe the image of an assassin and how it's built in both Ro and lineage are pretty generic

strong offensively..
weak defense
fast moving
stealth (no poly)

PLease!!!! in your "past-puberty" age, use common sense before u declare everything Ro does is original.

Secondly, what if they copy ideas and develop it further to make it unique (which isn't the case coz assassin image being built here is generic)
microsoft did it to netscape..
linux x-windows borrowed many elements from windows..
nissan created some better model by studying toyota's cars..

instant noodle was created by nissin.. but now it's being produced by hundreds of companies..

August 17, 2003 09:42 am ET (#48)
Loyal Fan

27 posts

Can we say "more empty hype?"
I'm looking forward to it anyway... all those obviuosly new chrs walking around.^^

This is a fantasy game: Knight, Mage, Elf <-- not a ripp off, these are typical fantasy classes. Am I the only one here old enough to have played RPG's? (and I don't mean video games!)
I'm not even going back to figure out who's got their tail in a knot about it being a copy, I want to be able to respect you guys in game... GOOFBALLS!!
It's already been said that Dark Elf is Thief/Rouge. It would've rocked if they had used a name that describes the class instead of looking wierd using a race that's already MoP/Poly. Then again this game has always been a little weird... that's why I love it and hate the normalizers at NC Austin.
...are you NC clowns going ban everyone who "GANKS" newbie Dark Elfs that first week? Obviously I'm talking about Dep, Capt Sturm's people already messed up LoA with "Play With Yourself Island!"
Don't Mess WIth Dep!
PS: and you can't poly? ^^
Think about it, Turtle Island means Dark Elf will soon rule LoA, totally unbalanced... of course on Dep it will be interesting to see what happens, I'm not placing any bets on DE vs Mage. My guess is this episode will be released in early October. Until it does, enjoy the hype! =P

August 17, 2003 04:06 pm ET (#49)
Loyal Fan

58 posts

Only fools are original. Almost all MMORPG's out there now have borrowed extensively from D & D, nethack and a whole bunch of original rpg's and have improved.

August 17, 2003 09:08 pm ET (#50)
Loyal Fan

283 posts

I guess no1 every understand what I say and reply to it

mshash2k, go check out asian game news,forums, asian game economy base on 4 super powers, china,tw,hk,korea, right now, lineage is so weak in china, they have to sell adena to gain popularites, RO is gaining an edge in tw and hk markets, but lineage still runs strong in korea
u can say lineage is 1 of the most successful mmorpg around, but popularity-wise, RO is gaining higher grounds than lineage in asia. I don't and can't offer any prove of popularity, if u dun believe me, fine, u can go check out the asian gaming community urself.

and all RPG games, basically all games are not original, the concept of assasin wasn't in the lineage data-base, it was theif first, but why didn't they publish that 4~6episodes earlier?

did I say lineage was doing thins wrongfully?no
did I say lineage can't do this?no
but what I'm saying is lineage is jumping on the mmorpg bandwagon

my critizism about this new char and ability of this new char is not about it's similary to RO, but the timing of the publishing of this char.

doubt u guys would understand it, go play RO in asia, u'll know what I mean= _ =

August 18, 2003 12:23 pm ET (#51)
Loyal Fan

138 posts

ro has like 15k+ players per server in korea from what i heard from a friend O_o;
and ro is the only mmorpg ive ever seen inwhich the female player population is actually above 35% o_o''
infact im the only male in my fucking school that plays o.o; (lucky me ^_^)

August 27, 2003 06:25 pm ET (#52)
Loyal Fan

13 posts

I played DE on so damn fun...!lvl 15 invis spell..enchant vemon ..dark stones.Dark armor too adds +3ac..all fun 0.o..! dark stones for making DE items i think and i got all as drop b/s craft thats lvl 15 quest o.O nice spell need wis for it and high lvl for it to every work tho >_< bad DEs wis so damn low >.< i found my self useing blues every 5 min..sturgleing not to b heavy..invis so addicting :P. 0.O to bad claws r 2h >.< or DE would own all..and im not sure but i dont believe they have a Brave / wafer for DEs but..mayb only played test to lvl c if i liked DE

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